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Posted on: 2013/5/15 12:46
Needs to get out a bit more!
Joined: 2005/2/15
From: Independence, MO
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Re: Glorified Bodies
I'm still not convinced that "the flesh" is somehow inherently sinful. It's that the flesh without the Spirit, left to its own, will reach out and grab the first thing that satisfies its desires.

If we define "the flesh" in the broadest sense as "humanness" then we then have to ask what spirit we are of in order to know what we mean by "the flesh" in a particular context. In Adam we are dead towards God and alive towards the spirit of disobedience. (Ephesians 2:1ff) The works of the flesh in this context is fornication, uncleanness, etc. (Galatians 5). If the Spirit of Christ dwells in us then we are no longer in the flesh but are in the Spirit. We still have flesh (humanness) but that humanness is operating under a different spirit.

Now, we have a definition for what it means to be "of the flesh" when we look at the matter of Abraham and Ishmael. He was a "child of the flesh" or "a child of an act of the flesh." Abraham got in the flesh when he obeyed the voice of his wife that suggested an alternate plan to the revelation he had been given by God. He was hearkening to 'another voice' than the voice of God. It was the voice of his wife (in this case). This is what it is to be "in the flesh"; it is to be led by a different spirit and revelation. Paul said it this way, But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. (Galatians 4:29)

The Old Covenant was tailor designed for those that are born after the flesh, but the New Covenant is tailor made for those that are born after the Spirit. This is why Paul could say that we are not under the Law, because the law was not made for a righteous man, but for sinners. When we are in Christ we are not sinners by nature any more and no longer need a schoolmaster. Institutional law could not do what a constitutional chanve of nature could. Having been truly changed we can come safely under a New Covenant without the need to be hemmed in with institutional law. Can we "get in the flesh"? Absolutely, if we hearken to a different voice than God's. Is this our normal state of affairs? By no means. We are no longer in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of Christ dwells in us. Blessings. Robert

Blessings, Robert Wurtz II

The Girded Mind

Obedience is better esteemed with God than acquired knowledge, it is the most important lesson -fundamental to the gaining of all spiritual knowledge from God. (GWN)

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